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  Interview: 
          Recording David Byrne with Michael Mangini 
           
            | Michael Mangini 
                is the owner of Mojo Music in NYC. This Grammy Award winning Producer-Engineer 
                recently finished recording and producing David Byrnes latest 
                release Look into the Eyeball. Michael heavily relies 
                on the Vt-737sp and AD2055 EQs for all of his recordings 
                and mixes. Q: Hi 
                Michael, please describe your recording setup.A: I use Logic as my sequencing, music arrangement program and 
                Pro Tools I/O hardware. In my main studio I have six 888s, 
                a mix plus system and four farm cards. Its a full-blown 
                Pro Tools system that routes through a Sony DMX console. I have 
                lots of outboard gear, heavily featuring Avalon - six Vt-737sps, 
                two AD2055 EQs, as well as some other vintage outboard.
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            | Q: 
              Do you record direct to the computer or to tape first? A: We go back and forth between recording to two inch analog tape 
              and direct to computer recording depending on the song and the sound. 
              On David Byrnes recent album, Look Into the Eyeball, 
              we recorded most of drums to two inch tape and then dumped it into 
              Logic so that it could be manipulated from there. We did this to 
              get a warmer, punchier analog sound.
 Q: 
                For the Look Into the Eyeball album, can you describe 
                your recording process for the songs?A: About 80% of the David Byrne record went down like this: We 
                sent basic demo versions of the songs to drummer Sean Pelton and 
                bassist Paul Frazier. They learned the songs and came to the sessions. 
                I would feed a loop I had developed for the song (with Davids 
                input) into the live room. David on guitar plugged directly into 
                a Vt-737sp then into the 888, Paul on bass plugged directly into 
                a Vt-737sp then into the 888 and Sean on drums. They all set up 
                in the live room together in sort of an organic way, and they 
                developed their parts in that setting: learning the song, hearing 
                the loops, and playing along to the loops. Whiled they played, 
                I would hear something I liked and say, Sean that is an interesting 
                part but you should change it here and evolve it there. David 
                had ideas about everything obviously and the two of us together 
                would tweak what everyone was playing and get something that we 
                thought was cool.
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            | Once 
              we had all the parts worked out, we would generally take three or 
              four takes of each song. I would then dump all of those takes into 
              the computer and go through it all, picking and choosing each part 
              from each take. Sometimes I even chopped up parts that worked in 
              other sections of the song. A part that was played in the verse 
              might have worked in the bridge. I would go through all of the takes 
              and try to come up with what I thought were compelling tracks (guitar, 
              bass and drums). Once I had those tracks worked out, David and I 
              would then decide what we liked and what we wanted to change. |  |   
            | Q: What 
                preamps and microphones did you use to record the rhythm tracks?A: It sounds like a big plug for Avalon, but its true
 
                in the case of Davids guitar we would run it directly into 
                the Vt-737sp and then into Logic where we would use amp farm. 
                There were no amps. There were a couple of days where we rented 
                amps and listened to them and then decided that the way we wanted 
                the record to sound, amp farm suited the record better than real 
                amps.In most cases during the tracking David played a Gibson SG. 
                We would plug it directly into the 737 and use it as a preamp 
                and then right into the 888 and Logic where we would use amp farm. 
                Every guitar sound on the record is recorded that way.
 
 We also ran the bass directly into a Vt-737sp and then straight 
                into Logic (via the 888) where we used either a sans amp plug-in 
                or sometimes just the direct bass sound. And if we wanted to overdrive 
                the bass we would actually overdrive the 737. A ton of Vt-737sps 
                where used on Davids guitar, the bass, and all of Davids 
                vocals. If you hear the record and you like the sound, you definitely 
                want to use the Vt-737sp.
 Q: What 
                about drums?A: That was a combination of things. We used Vt-737s on 
                room mics and overheads as well as old outboard Neve racks. We 
                used different mics. A lot of times we were recording two full 
                drum sets at once. The drums were huge setups. The two things 
                that jump out about the record is that it is very drum oriented 
                and it also has a big orchestral aspect to it. It was a very interesting 
                and fun record to make.
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            |   Q: Moving 
                on to Davids vocal, is he difficult to record?A: Its hard to record Davids vocal so that it mixes 
                well. I will say that if you put him on an SM57 or the most expensive 
                C12 in the world, he still sounds exactly like David Byrne. The 
                difficult part is compressing and limiting his voice so that when 
                he is doing things like going down really low and then going up 
                high quickly, you get a good consistent level that still sounds 
                natural. He takes chances melodically when he sings - he will 
                go down really low with his voice in one section, then in another 
                section sing in false psetto. I tried to get a vocal track that 
                has a presence and sits well in the mix and at the same time doesnt 
                become a fader riding nightmare during mixdown. A few times we 
                had to chain a couple compressors together to try to get a really 
                nice vocal so that we didnt drive ourselves crazy when we 
                were trying to mix the record.
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            |   Q: Can 
                you give me a general Vt-737sp setting that you used on Davids 
                vocal?A: I can actually. For David we used the High Pass Filter set 
                at around 55-60Hz. Generally slow attack and slow release, 4:1 
                compressor, boost his voice on the bottom end just a little around 
                15Hz, sometimes around 1.5kHz in the high mids then open it up 
                on the top end around 4dB at 15kHz. David has a nice warm bottom, 
                so you dont have to do that much to the bottom except make 
                sure that it doesnt get muddy. You really want the words 
                to jump and make sure his vocal has a presence in the track especially 
                when there is a lot of percussion banging around. I try to get 
                the words really present but not to the point where we have to 
                de-ess them.
 
 For the most part we used the Sony C800 mic on Davids voice. 
                We checked approximately ten different mics and that was the one 
                that sounded the best by far. We tried different preamps: Neve, 
                G-series SSL console, but he definitely sounded the best with 
                the Vt-737sp and the C800. We used it on every song.
 
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            | Q: During 
                mixdown how did you incorporate your outboard gear?A: We used the AD2055 on the mix buss. We generally boosted a 
                little bit of top and a little of the bottom. Which is not uncommon. 
                We just wanted to warm up the bottom just a little bit where some 
                of the really cool stuff was going on and then way up top around 
                20kHz, just open that up. So one AD2055 was dedicated to the mix 
                buss. We would run that with some light stereo compression on 
                the mix buss.
 
 The Vt-737sps would be in play all over the place during 
                mixdown. On the bass we used them, on Davids vocal we used 
                them. On guitars we used them. In some cases we linked two together 
                and use them on stereo subgroups to make the group sound more 
                cohesive. For example in some cases we wanted to make the strings 
                sound more combined. So we would group the strings coming out 
                of the console run them into a pair of Vt-737sps group compress 
                and EQ them, and bring them back into the console to make them 
                sound more like a section playing in a room rather than individual 
                orchestral pieces.
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            | I run stereo 
                subgroups through the Vt-737sp this all the time; with background 
                vocals, drums and instrument groups. 
                On Davids record there might have been forty drum tracks, 
                so we might have to take the live drums and run them through some 
                sort of stereo processing, take the percussion and run that through 
                the same way. So the Vt-737sp is used a lot in that kind of capacity. 
                Whatever didnt sound good, when we were mixing, we would 
                say, run it though a 737.   |   
            | In general 
                I use the Vt-737sp a lot. When Im programming in my home 
                studio, every single thing goes through a 737 - every track. In 
                my home studio I have Logic running through a Mackie Digital console 
                with a Digi 888. I dont really like the way the console 
                sounds. So once I figure out a song in regards to programming 
                and sequencing, I then make it all audio. When I make it audio, 
                I run every track through a 737 one at a time - EQ it so it has 
                some snap to it, whatever it needs  make the kick more punchy 
                or whatever. I can really say the Vt-737sp is a great all in one 
                box. It has a great sounding compressor that doesnt over 
                do it. Its not like a lot of compressors out there where 
                you can hear it. It is subtle, yet it really does what you want 
                it to do. And the EQ sounds so warm and sweet - its not 
                harsh sounding at all. Its really warm, and doesnt 
                distort the instrument you are trying to EQ. If you want to open 
                up the top or you want to warm up the bottom, or you want to notch 
                out a little bit in the middle to make it bite a little bit - 
                It does all that but it doesnt distort the thing you are 
                trying to mess with. I really love the Vt-737sp. It is truly an 
                amazing piece of gear. It really works for me.  Q: Thanks 
                for your time Michael. Would you like to make any parting comments?A: Keep up the good work. Keep making great gear, and let me know 
                when you have something new, so I can go out and get it!
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   |  Michael 
          Mangini Producer Mix Engineer
 "Whats Going On" All Star tribute record - Britney Spears, 
          NSync, Michael Stipe, Destinys Child, Bono...
 Producer/Remix Engineer
 
 David Byrne LP, "Look Into the Eyeball."
 Producer/Mixer
 
 Shrek Soundtrack "Best Years of Our Lives," Grammy Nomination 
          Best Soundtrack, Platinum
 Producer/Mixer
 
 Bahamen "Who Let the Dogs Out" Grammy Winner - Best Dance 
          Recording, Triple Platinum
 Producer/Mixer
 
 Otown "Love Should Be a Crime" Platinum
 Producer/Mixer
 
 Best of Busta Rhymes "Various Tracks"
 Engineer/Mixer/Programmer
 
 Bruce Hornsby "Spirit Trail"
 Producer
 
 The 
          Corrs "What Can I Do" (Multi-platinum) Producer /remixer
 
 Digable 
          Planets LP "Reachin" (Gold)Co-Producer/Mixer/Programmer
 
 Other artists worked with include:
 Joan Osborne, Donna Summer, Dido, Beastie Boys, Jodeci, Run DMC, Paula 
          Abdul, and Shawn Colvin.
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